Sep 08 2007

Penalized directories …

Posted at 12:10 pm under Search Engine and Directory stuff

Google once again tried to make an example of a few high profile directories by delisting them for their own name. One person suggested on DP that this is algorithmic, but I can guarantee it’s not. Why? Because frogengine is one of the directories. And the directory itself is only a part of a site and what was meant to become a lot more than just a web directory.
What makes no sense to me is that the blog and my forum have been hit as well.
Sure, the purpose of the directory is to generate revenue. It also is a directory where I add sites I myself find useful regardless whether I know the owner or have been paid for a listings.
I see that the ones delisted are all on digitalpoint so I can also make a safe bet that the Google people have been reading thru the directory section of digitalpoint which makes sense. That section is out of control.

What I hope will happen is that Google is going to find better ways of disabling link juice to pass. Whatever will happen to this site is not up to me, but I will keep running it regardless of what Google does to it.
The loss of traffic has been around 30 percent. I still have regular readers and people visiting the blog thru all kinds of non paid for links out there.
Needless to say, the submissions to the directory have dropped. My other directories are not penalized so they keep me alive. ;)

Now, let’s say every directory penalized gets back into their old Google status and business continues as usual, what will be the lesson learned from this timeout?

I personally don’t see what lesson there is to take out of it other than “don’t buy links for the sake of pagerank”.

I also am not sure how exactly the algorithm now values links from frogengine neither do I really care.
Most of my search engine rankings had nothing to do with directories. They were for terms like “cool sites” and people used frogengine to find them.

Maybe I should have done a better job increasing usability by adding quality sites. Maybe I should have not hung out on DP.

The bottom line is that I find it shameful how so many directory guys now try to come after those who have been penalized.
Just because they might not get out of their listings what they once did should not give them a right to attack those they have once bowed down to.
I personally am a huge fan of the Aviva Download Blog and also Chris Hoffman’s new blog.
Maybe the Google employees should take some time reading thru those and then say that those blogs are worthless just because people submit to the directories attached in order to manipulate rankings.

Adding a blog to a directory is something that gets you a lot of non directory related traffic and brings end users to your directory like nothing I have ever seen.
Google has gone overboard by penalizing the whole domain name.
I hope that this blog is going to rank again for it’s original phrases. My forum might or might not, I really don’t care. But this is not just a directory blog, it’s a diary I’ve run for the last 3 years which many friends of mine read. And also I hope to reach out to more and more readers.

On another note it’s interesting to see that the regular attendants of SEO Conventions (the ones Matt and other Google employees hang out with) have now moved up a few notches and not been touched, even though they clearly make most of their profits from people buying listings in order to increase their Google rankings.

The directory business is an ugly business. Being hit like this is an insult, especially when looking at the majority of spam directories that their owners take no pride in. But who knows, maybe this is a blessing in disguise and it’s time for me to forget about search engines and worry about the quality of my sites only.

I firmly believe that overall Google rewards quality. I just think that in the recent past there have been decisions made based on the advice of spammers like Greg Boser and I think that it’s a big mistake for people like Matt Cutts to allow guys like him to get too close.

Anyone with more information or opinions, feel free to post them.

Hope that everything will even itself out for everyone.

Keep reading this blog and keep visiting Aviva’s and Alive’s.
And don’t waste your time in the digitalpoint directory section. The hyenas have taken over. Use your judgement when it comes to which directory you should submit to if you do submit to directories. No tool can replace that and the majority of the crowd on forums will guide you in a way that will only benefit themselves and some of their closest associates.

5 responses so far

5 Responses to “Penalized directories …”

  1. […] penalized and mine was one of them, I still rank for a few terms, but not for my own name. More here. __________________ Frog Engine <— the second best directory in the world after Aviva - […]

  2. Julon 13 Sep 2007 at 1:40 pm 2

    Ohh!
    Do you eventually have a link to any official statement as well? I’d like to read more on this issue. How long do you think it’ll take to go back to your previous page rank?

  3. Directory Bloggeron 13 Sep 2007 at 1:53 pm 3

    There is no official statement from Google. All we have right now is speculations and hearsay. But judging by past behaviour, there is a chance that the directories could come back. When Google penzlied real estate sites, it took about 203 months for all of them to come back.
    Here is also an ongoing discussions on Danny’s Blog where Danny has mentioned the Digitalpoint directories forum and I believe that editors went in there to hand penalize directories. Reason being, all of the ones penalized are highly promoted on DP. A few have come back such as Dave E’s Biz Directory. Here is his thread on DP. Not quite sure what he has done to regain Google’s blessings, but I will ask him and see if he has an answer. :)

    Mike

  4. Lanceon 13 Sep 2007 at 2:16 pm 4

    Hi Mike.
    Great read. I have been really turned off at what is happening at DP as well. What is strange to me is that I appear to have been hit as well (not ranking for my name), but that my site is not even 4 weeks old. I did do a lot of advertising and as noob bought 1 footer link on a PR6 site. I didn’t even know why I bought it. I thought that getting my link on the “big sites” was good advertisement. Less than a week later everything went down. At first I didn’t think it was manual, but now I am starting to think it must as I can come up with no other explanation as to why Google would care about/penalize a website that was less than a week old.

    Anyway, great blog!
    Lance

  5. Directory Bloggeron 13 Sep 2007 at 4:57 pm 5

    Hey Lance,
    thank you for your kind words.
    I believe that your directory was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
    It’s not making sense when you look at which directories have been hit and which ones were not.
    I can almost guarantee you that a Google editor was sent out to look thru the Digitalpoint directories section, and simply followed links and hit whatever he say with the word “directory” in it.

    Do you advertise your PR? Probably not since your site was new, correct?

    No, I don’t really believe that footer links in web directories are a good idea to purchase. Maybe a few bidding directory links due to the fact that those visiting them are likely to submit to directories in general, but then again, those might wind up getting hit next. I myself don’t think that Google should determine where we advertise.
    If you own a web directory, be seen wherever you think a potential enduser might go or a potential submitter might be.
    Mix it up.
    Google is no longer run by its founders the way it used to be. You now have a lot of SEOs giving Google advice and the fact that Danny Sullivan has mentioned the Digitalpoint directories section is just another indicator to me that there has been talk about DP and somebody mentioned to the Google engineers that that was the place to look for the enemy.

    Mike

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